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What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:25 pm
by Moraiwe
Everything I hear/read about blood bowl has led me to believe that blood bowl players agree on hardly anything. There's a terribly long list of things that people claim are underpowered or overpowered. So much so that I think if any of the current rosters were erased from history and put forward as a newly suggested roster, you couldn't get enough people to like it for it to become accepted into the rules.

So, my question for this week is, what roster do you think is the most well-balanced? What roster, if it were suggested today for the first time, would be the least criticised? Aspects to consider might include:
- not overpowered
- not underpowered
- fluff makes sense
- stats / skills match the fluff
- each position fits the above criteria
- works well with the current rules
- makes the current rules seem balanced
- etc.

I'd do a poll, but you're only allowed 15 options and I didn't want to face the wrath of the omitted-race lovers.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:29 pm
by D_Arquebus
Norse.

If only cause they went through the revamp in LRB 4?

Bit of speed, lots of block but fragile so not your normal bash and grind team. Avg AG, bit of ST. Skills crossing the whole gamut of selections bar Mutations and they get the 1x Snow Troll for that.

Good out of the box but take some finesse to master which is th sweet spot for me*.

*note: I am certainly not claiming to have mastered them :P

**edit** in summary a bit of everything without too much of any one thing.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:53 pm
by Rabid_Bogscum
Skaven.... they are a perfect them roster with perfect balance

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:38 pm
by NFA
What about the Orcs? Sure they're mainly a bash team but they have a thrower and goblin receivers are an option if you can't get +ag on a blitzer. The troll adds some randomness as well as som options.

Or is it just my limited ability that stops them being overpowered for me?

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:40 pm
by Fassbinder75
Not that you're looking for milquetoast, but Necromantic would probably fit the bill. Orcs potentially, but they're a bit too cheap.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:07 pm
by JoeKano
To answer the question, you need to say at what TV? Some teams are good starters but die at higher points, some are brilliant midpointers, others are awesome high but nothing till then.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:31 pm
by Moraiwe
No, you don't. But yes considering different TVs should indeed be a criteria.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:33 am
by burn
I quite like the vampire team for balance.
Sure, the vampires are tough and thralls are decent (if a little under-armored) but the risk of eating them is enough of a detractor.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:24 pm
by Greyhound
Good question.

I think Lizardmen fit in that sweet spot.
The Saurus, skinks and Kroxigor make "sense" fluff wise... or at least the fluff of BB have made them fit in the universe.

The excess of ST, speed and armour, coupled with the lack of skills, and inability to reliably stack SPP make the saurus great, but never OTT killers.

The great speed, nimbleness of skink is offset by their high cost and poor skill access.

I have been both impressed and disappointed by them in the past, and I feel like they win about half their games, regardless of TV, as long as the opposition race is often rotating. Some match up are dreadful, other are very good.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:35 pm
by Nubs11
Greyhound wrote:
I think Lizardmen fit in that sweet spot.
I would never have thought that you would say that Greyhound ;D

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:05 pm
by Fassbinder75
6419 with GS access for 80k is a flat out bargain, and best of all you get six of them. Six! Even if they need CAS to skill up they'll get 6 or 7 out of 10 random MVP's. The side is balanced with a lack of G access and fragile ball handlers, but they're still very quick. I think its a pretty strong roster.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:18 pm
by Moraiwe
Not even 24 hours and so far the most balanced team is:
Norse
Skaven
Necromantic
Vampire
Orc
Lizardmen

Good to have such a consensus.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:23 pm
by Fassbinder75
Moraiwe wrote:Not even 24 hours and so far the most balanced team is:
Norse
Skaven
Necromantic
Vampire
Orc
Lizardmen

Good to have such a consensus.
It is actually, the game is interesting because this team doesn't exist in isolation - you'll always have an imperfect fit. If there was a perfectly balanced-in-isolation side, no one would be playing this game.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:37 pm
by Moraiwe
Rubbish. People would still flock to the overpowered teams and the greatly under-powered teams would have a high proportion of followers too. You can have a baseline without creating a non-vibrant environment.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:55 pm
by tribalsinner
Humans. Enough Said

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:02 pm
by BeefyGoodness
You should set up a poll. Humans +1

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:33 pm
by jamesfynmore2
+1 Humans.

Isn't the idea to have all the teams "well balanced" in there own rights. Sure there is some harder teams to play (vampires, slaan, stunty) but its just different play styles.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:34 pm
by jamesfynmore2
Except those f***ing dark elves! They're just stupid and I hate them

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:38 am
by Greyhound
Fassbinder75 wrote:6 or 7 out of 10 random MVP's. The side is balanced with a lack of G access and fragile ball handlers, but they're still very quick. I think its a pretty
never saw one reaching the finals of the online leagues we play. Hundreds of teams, plenty of lizardmen but they must be horrible coaches as they surprisingly only manage a reasonable 50-60% wins.

Great teams, but somehow always failing a game or two every seasons (which I think feels right).
unlike the following teams which are repetitively in the finals:
- Dark elves (multiple teams, multiple coaches)
- Skavens (multiple teams, multiple coaches)
- Chaos (multiple teams, multiple coaches)
- Chaos Dwarfs
- Undead
- Humans (multiple teams, multiple coaches)
- Wood elves
- Nurgle

I agree they look strong on paper, but when things go bad, they go south fast with hardly any chance to come back, some others teams fare better with bad rolls.

Re: What's the most well-balanced/appropriate roster?

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:42 am
by Greyhound
jamesfynmore2 wrote:Except those f***ing dark elves! They're just stupid and I hate them
That's a bit harsh. I think they are a much needed crutch for the competitive type who believe they can coach and do not want to accept defeat. To those coach they are a "well fined tune team" which requires "considerable amount of strategy and careful placement". I even read once that they were extremely hard to master.

They're just stupid and I hate them.