AWW #39 - Avalon - Bad Guys Win

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FWIW - if this mission gets up Im happy to call it there as a 3-2 Good Guy win and let the assassin strike. :)
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Get those Votes in People. Yay or Nay to Hutch, Foad, Oneeye
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It kinda sucks that after a potential 5 round week long marathon of a game that the bad guys get a 1 in 3 chance to win. I like the twist don’t get me wrong but a 1 in 3 chance after losing the main battle doesn’t work. I think I would prefer that both bad guys should need to pm their guess on who is Merlin and they only get the assassination if they have both been correct.
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Im not suggesting the change now. Those are the rules so I can’t complain now but just a thought. It means both bad guys needed to pay close attention and figure it out themselves rather than one doing all the work and telling the other what to do.
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Wow. That was like a wall of text. I find it amusing to see that my constant analysing and discussions only count as vagueness.

Now I have only questioned D. Based on his comments and constant accusations.

So he has now put me against himself when he has also failed to be chosen for a mission until he puts himself on it. This is classic bad guy moves.

Now I am a good guy and it will fail if D is running things. I will be voting voting against. My suggestion for the team will be Foad and myself. I cant be sure about Olaf and oneeye but I will chose oneeye bused on his more constant and rational posts.

I hope that I will get the support of the other good guys to save this game. I understand if Merlin does not out himself but if all good guys vote against they will not know who is who.

This is the right decision guys!
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whitetailscramblers wrote:
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I will chose oneeye bused on his more constant and rational posts.
Hehehehe... i laughed out loud at this... not sure if that's a good thing though! ;D
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What’s the hold up
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This dodgey Brett character hasnt sent through his Vote yet to approve the team.maybe...? ;)
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Sorry guys stuck at work. Will be on in an hour or two.

Need to read the posts and decide if we should run this group. I'm torn on it.

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It is literally the team you also suggested Foad.... :)
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Hahaha! We have been waiting so long I didn’t even realise that! Come on Foad it’s been 24 hours now for you to send a pm. Get it done
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My thoughts

Mission #1
OneEye proposes Olaf and OneEye.
-everybody agrees, a bit of a turkey shoot as no-one has information, except for Merlin, who shouldn't reveal at this stage.
Mission #1 succeeds.

Mission #2
Foad proposes Olaf, OneEye and Foad.
-team approved 4-1
-Hutchie dissents as he should if he is a good guy, as this means that a bad guy is on the team.
-WTS does not dissent, which means he is happy for the mission to fail. A good guy would not want this, a bad guy would.
Mission #2 fails with 1 fail vote.
-WTS confirmed as a villain.

Mission #3
Olaf proposes Olaf and OneEye.
An isolation vote, perfect reasonable.
-team approved 4-1
-Foad dissents, as he should if he is a good guy, as this means that a bad guy is on the team.
-3rd vote in a row with Olaf and OneEye. With only public conversation, having Olaf and OneEye as the bad guys is really running the risk of accidentally double failing a mission, or double passing a mission to avoid a double fail. Especially on a 2 man mission. this means they are 99% not both bad guys. More to the point, this pairing was Olaf's idea. Mission #1 pairing was OneEye's idea. I should get clarity on this.
Rabid, can I confirm if the bad guys are allowed to talk to each other by direct message?
Mission #3 fails with 1 fail vote.
-Olaf or One Eye confirmed as the other villain.
-Hutchie confirmed a not a villain
-Foad confirmed a not a villain.

The Mission #1 OneEye pick is kinda random, it could be a good guy or bad guy play. A bad guy *should* pick a good guy, and a good guy has a 50%/50% of hitting a good guy.

But the Mission #3 pick, is kind different with WTS revealed as evil.
Even moreso afterwards as Hutchie and Foad are cleared.

If Olaf is good and picks Olaf and Hutchie for Mission #3 and it succeeds then they have 2 rounds to isolate the last villain from OneEye and Foad
A good Olaf can make this play.

If Olaf is good and picks Olaf and Foad for Mission #3 and it succeeds then they have 2 rounds to isolate the last villain from OneEye and Hutchie
A good Olaf can make this play.

If Olaf is good and picks Olaf and OneEye for mission #3, then that means that Olaf or OneEye is the villain and we have no way to isolate, leaving a 50%/50% chance to fail a third mission.
A good Olaf is unwise to make this play as this will only have a 50% for singing and dancing for good Olaf.

If Olaf is bad and picks Hutchie and passes the mission, Mission #4 will be Olaf, Hutchie and Foad. If mission #4 then fails (which he'd have to do to avoid 3 successful missions), this will reveal him as evil. Mission #5 will be OneEye, Hutchie and Foad.
If Olaf is bad and picks Hutchie and fails the mission, with Hutchie cleared this will reveal him as evil
An evil Olaf can't pick Hutchie to go on Mission #3.

If Olaf is bad and picks Foad and passes the mission, Mission #4 will be Olaf, Hutchie and Foad. If mission #4 then fails (which he'd have to do to avoid 3 successful missions), this will reveal him as evil. Mission #5 will be OneEye, Hutchie and Foad.
If Olaf is bad and picks Foad and fails the mission, with Foad cleared this will reveal him as evil
An evil Olaf can't pick Foad to go on Mission #3.

If Olaf is bad and picks OneEye and passes the mission, Mission #4 will probably be Olaf, OneEye and either Hutchie and Foad. Mission #4 then fails, and Hutchie is probably swapped out for Foad, or Foad is probably swapped out for Hutchie. Mission #5 fails, and evil win.
Singing and dancing probably ensues for evil Olaf.

If Olaf is bad and picks OneEye and fails the mission, then that means that Olaf or OneEye is the villain and we have no way to isolate, leaving a 50%/50% chance to fail a third mission. Singing and dancing may ensue for evil Olaf.

Going on Mission #3 with Olaf is a best case scenario for evil Olaf, and a worst case scenario for good Olaf.

This is all public information too...

@Hutchie, what are your thoughts? I'm interested as you're kinda cleared as a good guy after mission #3.
I think I'm the last vote which will close the game... I'll be voting no long after after I get a final word from my query to Rabid.

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@Hutchie - is it worth failing just to see WTS vote?
We can always run OneEye/Hutch/Foad again...

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Going on Mission #3 with *Fake Brett is a best case scenario for evil Olaf, and a worst case scenario for good Olaf.

Typo there error - fixed here for clarity.

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I posted my thoughts up thread mate.

Bad Guys: WTS and Olaf

Good Guys: Me, you, OneEye.

I suggested the mission based on similar reasoning to you. :) . We lock the 3 of us with you voting YES to proceed and we Pass Mission and then can hand wave the WTS NO vote and OneEye repeat vote for 3-4 to the Good Guys if all agreed... or not. Then we just have the Assassin Stabby Stabby and put a bow on it :)
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I'm certain WTS is Bad Guy. And feel Olaf is Bad guy based on actions of him and OneEye throughout.

You were cleared by Olaf misstep picking him and OneEye vs him and you for last Mission, imo.
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How the actual f*** do you go from choosing the team as the leader to waiting 24 hours before THEN worrying that the team isn’t right YOU CHOOSE and posting a wall of text?!?! 🤣🤣🤣 am I asleep right now?! Seriously?! 😭
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I am the leader OneEye. What are you banging on about?

I havent changed my mind. Foad is making his own assessment. I am asking him to approve so we can put it to bed...?
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That's what I wanted to hear in so many ways.

You guys have been awesome :)

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Oh god I am delirious! I read the wrong name. Haha sorry!
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