workd cup. team error poll. what would u do?

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what would u do?

Make him change his list but it stands.
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22%
Penalise his individual result but not the teams
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15%
Penalise both his and the teams result
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56%
Other
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7%
 
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workd cup. team error poll. what would u do?

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Ok so after round 6 we've discovered an opponent had an illegal list. It's "only" 10k over but that 10k is clutch on a necro team as it allows for a 3rd natural reroll without dropping a ghoul or something...

The team sheet was submitted adding up to 111 and was supposed to be checked by their opponents and yet 6 opponents didn't realise at first. I understand that technically the TO didn't pick this up and that the opponents also had a responsibility to check that the opponents list was legal. However I feel that the coach has a greater responsibility to ensure his own list is legal.

There's a better than average chance this was not deliberate however this person has had the "best" list without any of the drawbacks for 2 days.

So what would you think is fair?

I would expect that all of his results become losses (not giving the opponents wins necessarily)

I would expect his contribution to the team score to reflect that all his games are losses.

I would expect that his first 6 games not be entered into NAF as wins or losses.

In and individual tournament this basically means your last and you learn. Because it effects the team should that change things? And then because the team captain was also suooiseed to check the teams does that change them straight back?

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Post by Olaf_the_Stout »

Tough call. Maybe next WC will have the lists checked by the first 2 opponents instead of just the first.

Copping 6 losses for the player and the team for potentially an honest mistake is a fairly harsh punishment. On the other hand, it is possible that it changed the result of all 6 games he played in if it makes the difference between an extra reroll.
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Games already played are losses, including Being entered for NAF. Adjust team sheet for remaining games.
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to be honest im surprised it was not picked up by someone else who has a necro list earlier

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I'd expect/hope that his games all count as losses for him and team. Its quite tough, but lessons need to be learnt.
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Moraiwe wrote:Games already played are losses, including Being entered for NAF
Have changed my mind about the NAF record. Games should count as they were played (ie. wins are wins) but the TV difference between the two teams should be recorded.
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Other, buy rounds for the other team until they don't care anymore.

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I seriously doubt it was intentional. I have had this against me at a tournament before (high elf blitzers had guard as a normal skill). Officials should have picked it up, I should have picked it up. Never even considered pressing for his win not to stand. Of course leniency could encourage some to risk cheating in future but I'd like to believe that nobody would consciously cheat.

A tournament excel template for building teams should help to avoid this sort of thing... but then this weekend I faced a yeti with Thick Skull that an online spreadsheet had generated as a natural skill. Because it was generated by a template i buried my doubts and accepted that i'd played 34 games with norse without noticing this skill. :D

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Unfortunately in this case it is a World Cup match and in any other sport you would be penalised. In golf many a player has had an extra club and the penalty is cumulative for the number of holes played.

In this case I am leaning towards a penalty that reflects the number of games played. It could be one game per day is a loss not a win. Tough call but it is the premier event and if you do the crime, intentional or not, you have to do the time!

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BeefyGoodness wrote:Other, buy rounds for the other team until they don't care anymore.
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Other, buy rounds for the other team until they don't care anymore.
Just hope it is not some of the Aussie's I know as it could be a long night.....days of rounds!

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It's weird that it wasnt checked electronically or the sum cell didn't have a max value, that's for sure :/

I played necro and this extra 10k would have given me a guard zombie for the whole tourney
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Its the WC, if you dont check your list 5 times and check the lists of your team mates then you are a fool.

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To put it in a different perspective, in a league game 10k is short of inducements.
That said I'd draw a pretty hard line on this if I was TO.
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The captains were required to submit an .xls to the organizers 2 months before the event, it's these rosters that were used for the tourney, they were not printed out by the organizers but on people's phones or printed by the players.
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This is a huge tournament. Do they not have a rule on this sort of thing published beforehand, or is it really a case of officials suddenly going "what do we do now?".

The golf analogy is a good one. But the key difference is the golfers are well aware of the consequences beforehand.

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Looks like it was a mistake that just didn't get picked up.

When I saw it was still there on the WC app at the end of game 6 I realized it wasnt subterfuge.

That would be unprotecting the spreadsheet and inserting a picture with "1100" over the cell that contained the autosum of "1110" or adding a "-10" to the autosum itself.
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So apparently there was a dark elf as well.

The thing about what seemed to e added lawyers or checking before t tournament meant that no one was checking the opponents. Like feeling safe because you've through security I guess

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So what happened to the results for that player and his team?
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Nothing from what i saw, we could have used that 1/2 point!
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